20 Ways ObamaCare Will Take Away Our Freedoms

ObamaCare-health-insuranceWith ObamaCARE now passed, containing the Cornhusker Kickback, Gator-Aid, the Lousiana Purchase, and other shady deals, Investors Business Daily gives up 20 ways that ObamaCARE will take away our freedoms. IBD’s sections described below are taken from HR 3590 as agreed to by the Senate and from the reconciliation bill which takes out the Cornhusker Kickback and Gator-Aid as displayed by the Rules Committee.

1. You are young and don’t want health insurance? You are starting up a small business and need to minimize expenses, and one way to do that is to forego health insurance? Tough. You have to pay $750 annually for the “privilege.” (Section 1501)

2. You are young and healthy and want to pay for insurance that reflects that status? Tough. You’ll have to pay for premiums that cover not only you, but also the guy who smokes three packs a day, drink a gallon of whiskey and eats chicken fat off the floor. That’s because insurance companies will no longer be able to underwrite on the basis of a person’s health status. (Section 2701).

3. You would like to pay less in premiums by buying insurance with lifetime or annual limits on coverage? Tough. Health insurers will no longer be able to offer such policies, even if that is what customers prefer. (Section 2711).

4. Think you’d like a policy that is cheaper because it doesn’t cover preventive care or requires cost-sharing for such care? Tough. Health insurers will no longer be able to offer policies that do not cover preventive services or offer them with cost-sharing, even if that’s what the customer wants. (Section 2712).

5. You are an employer and you would like to offer coverage that doesn’t allow your employers’ slacker children to stay on the policy until age 26? Tough. (Section 2714).

6. You must buy a policy that covers ambulatory patient services, emergency services, hospitalization, maternity and newborn care, mental health and substance use disorder services, including behavioral health treatment; prescription drugs; rehabilitative and habilitative services and devices; laboratory services; preventive and wellness services; chronic disease management; and pediatric services, including oral and vision care.

You’re a single guy without children? Tough, your policy must cover pediatric services. You’re a woman who can’t have children? Tough, your policy must cover maternity services. You’re a teetotaler? Tough, your policy must cover substance abuse treatment. (Add your own violation of personal freedom here.) (Section 1302).

7. Do you want a plan with lots of cost-sharing and low premiums? Well, the best you can do is a “Bronze plan,” which has benefits that provide benefits that are actuarially equivalent to 60% of the full actuarial value of the benefits provided under the plan. Anything lower than that, tough. (Section 1302 (d) (1) (A))

8. You are an employer in the small-group insurance market and you’d like to offer policies with deductibles higher than $2,000 for individuals and $4,000 for families? Tough. (Section 1302 (c) (2) (A).

9. If you are a large employer (defined as at least 101 employees) and you do not want to provide health insurance to your employee, then you will pay a $750 fine per employee (It could be $2,000 to $3,000 under the reconciliation changes). Think you know how to better spend that money? Tough. (Section 1513).

10. You are an employer who offers health flexible spending arrangements and your employees want to deduct more than $2,500 from their salaries for it? Sorry, can’t do that. (Section 9005 (i)).

11. If you are a physician and you don’t want the government looking over your shoulder? Tough. The Secretary of Health and Human Services is authorized to use your claims data to issue you reports that measure the resources you use, provide information on the quality of care you provide, and compare the resources you use to those used by other physicians. Of course, this will all be just for informational purposes. It’s not like the government will ever use it to intervene in your practice and patients’ care. Of course not. (Section 3003 (i))

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  • http://truthandpolitics.wordpress.com Ted

    My comment about Obama’s healthcare program is directed at the minority who distinguish between insult and argument (i.e., whose brains are as active as their balls).

    Dennis Kucinich has called health care a “Civil Right,” while Ron Paul no less vehemently insists it isn’t. The problem is the evidence suggests that, in different ways, both are equally right.

    To briefly review the hard-and-fast material justification for Kucinich’s position. Prior to the industrialization and urbanization which began after the Civil War, the United States was essentially a “do it yourself” nation, with ninety-five percent of Americans living on farms, or in small villages. There were no cars or trains, and the only roads came from farmers driving wagons over common trails when visiting one another or going to town for provisions. Education, fire and police protection were individualistic, small community operations. County residents contributed to pay for a sheriff and a teacher, often building the “Little Red School House” themselves. So, too, with medical care. Farmers/villagers might chip in to cover the modest expense of sending a bright student to the city for the 2-years of training required to become a physician. But most often it was the student’s family who paid.

    Then we industrialized and everything dramatically changed. Trains and railways, cars and roadways, became imperative for servicing the rapidly growing metropolises. Houses began to be built so close to each other that a fire in one home could destroy much of a city, making fire departments, using increasingly sophisticated equipment, imperative. A large and growing number of Americans started working in factories for wages and theft became a problem which could only be controlled with large police departments. Medical care underwent the same transformation. With people living close together and able to drive to visit friends and relatives residing miles away, contagious diseases could spread almost as fast as fires. As a consequence, large, expensive hospitals had to be built, and medical training became increasingly sophisticated and costly.

    The changes described meant that hundreds-of-millions, eventually billions of dollars were needed to build/maintain the requisite roads, highways and rails, to establish adequate fire and police facilities, to train physicians specialized in specific diseases, to construct laboratories for synthesizing and testing medicines, and, to build/maintain/manage hospitals which used diagnostic equipment costing tens-of-millions of dollars. Obviously, no small community of people could come up with that kind of money. There was only one adequate source: everyone. So today, whether we do it directly by paying taxes, or, indirectly by buying food, cars, clothing or anything else from people who then use a portion of the money we pay them to cover their own federal, state, city and county taxes, we all fund the construction and maintenance of our roads and highways, our schools, fire and police departments, each and every one of us. Since everyone provides them, it’s universally accepted that respecting roads and highways everyone should get to use them. Not even the poorest among us are pulled over on the highway and told “You didn’t pay to build this road, so you aren’t allowed to use it!” So too, with fire and police services. Americans who live in the poorest sections of their towns and cities may (usually justifiably) complain the police don’t show the same concern when they’re attacked or robbed as when a victim is wealthy. But, sharing the assumption their departments’ services are for everyone, police chiefs will deny, and probably try to believe, that no class discrimination occurs.


    Now consider the physicians who treat us, the chemists who synthesize the medicines we take, and the pharmacists who sell them. If they attended public schools, from kindergarten through high school their education was provided by everyone, via county taxes directly, state and federal taxes indirectly. If they went to private schools, the wealthy individuals and foundations who funded them received tax write-offs for their contributions, and again, everyone paid. The same holds for their university educations. Whether the institutions they attend are publicly or privately financed, everyone pays. Finally, the federal government furnishes not millions but tens-of-billions of dollars of everyone’s money for the country’s medical care. The National Institutes of Health provides over $30 billion-a-year just for biological and medical research, about 30 percent of the total biomedical research expenditure. Most of the remaining 70 percent comes from biomedical industries, which then receive billions-of-dollars in tax write offs. Once more, everyone pays.
 Obviously, if we apply the same biblical exhortation “as you give, so shall you receive” ethic to medicine that we use for fire/police protection and the building and maintenance of roads, Kucinich reaches the only logical and just conclusion: health care has become a “Civil Right.”

    
On the other hand, there’s also indisputable material evidence for Ron Paul’s conviction that it isn’t; or, more to the point, that under present conditions making health care a Civil Right is going to cost us more than we can afford to pay, both in personal freedom and financially. Re the first, Paul argues that insofar as governments have taken control of peoples lives, dictating what they think and determining how they behave, things have invariably gotten worse for the majority of people. On that score, history declares in loud voice that Paul’s one-hundred percent right. From the former Soviet Union, Soviet dominated Eastern Europe and China on the Left, to Nazi Germany, fascist Italy and Pinochet’s Chile on the Right, governments across the political spectrum have consistently taken away people’s freedoms, often their lives.
 At the best of times they have helped to protect individual freedom. They have never been never been its source. Paul is right, too, that under the Obama Administration the top heavy government bureaucracies which control and direct everything from agriculture, to national defense, to home construction, to social welfare, to health care—and do it in the service of the wealthiest individuals and corporations in every sector—are destined to grow ever more burdensome, and, that Obama’s health care program constitutes an alarming expansion of that process.

    Finally, Paul is right that when added to the national debt already being borne by every American, the cost of the Health Care bill Obama seems destined to sign—a bill which gives the cake to insurance and pharmaceutical corporations, the crumbs to the people—seems certain to break the economy. We simply won’t be able to afford this kind of government, Paul persuasively argues.


    Frustratingly for a student of history, the constantly growing bureaucratic monolith Paul tilts at is referred to as “socialist” by those on the Right, who offer no material justification for that definition. Many even associate that proposition with old Karl Marx, which surely has his bleached bones rattling in the grave. Where government was concerned, Marx actually went much further than Paul, proposing that upon the advent of a socialist revolution not only the political state but all of politics would promptly come to an end. Reasoning the function of politics is everywhere and always to defend the “social existence” of those who act politically, Marx insisted that the people who have the most to protect against those who have less will invariably be the most political and will control/direct the state. Since he believed everyone would immediately begin receiving an equal portion of society’s domestic product following a socialist revolution, Marx logically concluded both the function and the rationale for politics and a political government would thereupon cease to exist. Only a small administration would remain to direct the equalitarian distribution, and the administrators would all be subject to immediate recall by the people if found to be incompetent or unjust.
 To be sure, the anti-feudal, pro-industrial elites who oversaw revolutions in the U.S.S.R., China, et al. did to Marx’s logic what the feudal inquisitionists of 16th century Spain and France, and the elites behind Franco’s Spain and Pinochet’s Chile did to that of Christ; namely, tear it apart, then embrace the shards which served their personal interests. But one wonders, at the present historical juncture, with libertarians on the Right and anti-capitalists on the Left registering many of the same complaints, with them signing the same protest statements and marching in the same parades, is it possible the time has come to give old Karl’s thesis a second look?

  • Rev Reggie Jackson

    This is the beginning of the end for the Great American empire!! And if we don’t fight it through each of our States; America will be doomed. And then the new world order antichrist beast system will enslave us all; and bring us under their coming One World Government that will enslave us all in the very near future.

    And the Only one that can defeat them is the Great God of Heaven!! And He will defeat them when He sends His Almighty Son Jesus with His holy angels and his saints that died in fighting the wicked new world order antichrist beast!!

    And don’t take their Mark of the Beast chip that they will try to force everybody to take their zombie making and autonotomic making chip in their forehead or hand. And it will slowly change your mind so that you will worship the antichrist and his father Lucifer. As one day you will wake up; and forget who you were; and embrace the antichrist instead as your god !! Which means according to Revelation 14:9, that you will forever be cursed by God and thrown into the great lake of fire and brimstone forever and ever!

  • attietewd

    KEEP THE FAITH

  • http://mitchsurp.com mitch

    Um… I’m not a health insurer. Or a physician who owns a hospital.

    You’re just grasping at straws.

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  • Rouge711

    Posted on the INFOWARS.COM site by the big Fake Alex Jones
    Investors Business Daily gives up 20 ways that ObamaCARE will take away our freedoms. IBD’s sections described below are taken from HR 3590 as agreed to by the Senate and from the reconciliation bill which takes out the Cornhusker Kickback and Gator-Aid as displayed by the Rules Committee. An autographed copy of the bill after the House passed Obamacare in Washington, Sunday, March 21, 2010.
    1. You are young and don’t want health insurance? You are starting up a small business and need to minimize expenses, and one way to do that is to forego health insurance? Tough. You have to pay $750 annually for the “privilege.” (Section 1501)
    Response: Agreed however that 750. Breaks down to 62.50 per month. Hardly going to put any one out of business. This is a B.S point!

    2. You are young and healthy and want to pay for insurance that reflects that status? Tough. You’ll have to pay for premiums that cover not only you, but also the guy who smokes three packs a day, drink a gallon of whiskey and eats chicken fat off the floor. That’s because insurance companies will no longer be able to underwrite on the basis of a person’s health status. (Section 2701).
    Response: Also they will no longer discriminate with cancer servicers and those who are ill and need insurance the most but can’t get it so they DIE! A really B.S Point!

    3. You would like to pay less in premiums by buying insurance with lifetime or annual limits on coverage? Tough. Health insurers will no longer be able to offer such policies, even if that is what customers prefer. (Section 2711).
    Response: How many people in their right mind want less coverage? The only real reason for that is there young and don’t know any better. This is legit but WEEK

    4. Think you’d like a policy that is cheaper because it doesn’t cover preventive care or requires cost-sharing for such care? Tough. Health insurers will no longer be able to offer policies that do not cover preventive services or offer them with cost-sharing, even if that’s what the customer wants. (Section 2712).
    You keep saying “if that’s what the customer wants” Where are your numbers on these so called customers? I don’t know anyone who really wants less or no coverage! B.S.POINT!

    5. You are an employer and you would like to offer coverage that doesn’t allow your employers’ slacker children to stay on the policy until age 26? Tough. (Section 2714).
    Response: Manny of these “SLAKERCHILDREN have no insurance because of the lack of jobs, or they are in school. B.S.POINT

    6. You must buy a policy that covers ambulatory patient services, emergency services, hospitalization, maternity and newborn care, mental health and substance use disorder services, including behavioral health treatment; prescription drugs; rehabilitative and facilitative services and devices; laboratory services; preventive and wellness services; chronic disease management; and pediatric services, including oral and vision care.
    You’re a single guy without children? Tough, your policy must cover pediatric services. You’re a woman who can’t have children? Tough, your policy must cover maternity services. You’re a teetotaler? Tough, your policy must cover substance abuse treatment. (Add your own violation of personal freedom here.) (Section 1302).

    OMG! You have to have emergency care and preventative coverage because you are healthy now why would you want to prevent illness in the future, or be covered for an emergency,afterall no 20’s something ever has one of them ! Dumb Ass!

    9. If you are a large employer (defined as at least 101 employees) and you do not want to provide health insurance to your employee, then you will pay a $750 fine per employee (It could be $2,000 to $3,000 under the reconciliation changes). Think you know how to better spend that money? Tough. (Section 1513).
    Oh darn you have to provide coverage to your employees because that’s what responsible employers do. Hey you also don’t have the freedom to shoot, rape and enslave employees, they really are rolled back those “freedoms aren’t they?”

    10. You are an employer who offers health flexible spending arrangements and your employees want to deduct more than $2,500 from their salaries for it? Sorry, can’t do that. (Section 9005 (I)).

    Hey dumb dumb’s you have a limit now of 2500,00 so… B.S.Point
    I have a news flash they all are. This article is a B.J to the big insurance lobby.
    Alex Jones! I am calling you out! You are a scum you are a right wing big corp. shill.
    I challenge you to a debate any time anywhere on this issue! I am posting this on YouTube, your site and everywhere I can! The whole world will know what a big potbellied fake you are!

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  • http://www.campaignforliberty.com Steve

    I’m screwed on points 1 and 6, as I’m a single guy without children and with an under-capitalized start up business.

    The irony of all of it is that Obama’s supporters would probably call me a racist for opposing his policies. I’m far from one now, but when they throw me in jail for not having health insurance, I’ll have to team up with the neo-nazi guys to surive.

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  • Joseph Conrad

    How could so many MILLIONS of Americans be so stupid, olivious, greedy, arrogant an self-aggrandizing ALL AT ONCE!?

    This nation is like Humptyty-Dumpty. It’s fallen off the wall and cracked like an egg on mrable. Its’ bankrupt. It’s money is worthless. It’s young people are dying in endless foreign wars to make the Wealthy wealthier! And its people have become Cowards afraid to save their Country from the Thieves, Liars & Cheats who now un it!

    Americans DESERVE Obamacare & all its Evils!

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  • Patrick

    This is communism

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  • Gary

    Not to mention what it will do to the 2nd amendment rights. What do you think is going to happen eventually, with outlaw gangbangers shooting themselves up with illegal guns that have been banned by cities like Chicago, New York city, Los Angeles etc.?? The cost of running these wounded punks to patch them up; if they survive that is, at the local hospitals nationwide, every week and weekend, would be astronomical! They will then try to say that all guns need to be banned, or else it will break health care, the economy etc, etc. I know these institutions are broke already, but the libs have been salivating at the idea of making the american citizen completely helpless by taking away our gun rights for decades. This cannot be. And it won’t be. Our founders never fired a shot, ’til the british came to disarm them. Then, as we all know, all hell broke loose! And a new nation was founded.

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  • Cygnus

    I’m not a liberal whiner and I do not fill this section with profanity. Still watching this surreal soap opera called medicare legislation bill argumentation…eh…

    You know, I’m from Europe and frankly, previously I thought americans are plain selfish.

    Now the case is different. I know americans are plain selfish. You really do not care weather your neighbour dies for lacking treatment worth some thousands of US. Plain crazy.

    You tell you’re god loving people and fight against right for abortion but as soon as the kid is born you really do not care weather the kid lives or dies when treatment costs few dimes.

    I guess the abortion “morale” is also plainly based on reluctance of paying other people’s treatment.

    I just do not get it.

  • The Honest Truth

    Socialized medicine cannot work in the United States because you have tens of millions of chronic indigents and 30+ million illegal aliens addicted to the social teat of free lunches who take more out of society than they put back. When you combine this when an ever decreasing industrial and technology base, an economy that is 70% reliant on consumer spending the ramifications are clear. Either way, with a true socialist system and higher taxes, or this monstrosity of merely FORCING the productive members of society to pay more for health insurance, it is a recipe for disaster. The Obamanation certainly isn’t completely to blame for the ills of this dying nation, but he will be viewed in history as the one who pushed the country over the edge into the abyss of no return. We are literally headed to the 3rd world and everyone knows why but is afraid to say it. We have an addiction to cheap Latin American labor and importing 3rd world people under the guise of equality and human rights who are not wanted in their own countries of origin. This nation is literally on a collision course with the likes of Brazil and it’s reality of gated communities and teeming slums. It’s 3rd world level health care system where the only good care you can receive is if you have the money to pay out of pocket to a private provider.

  • Sara Lane

    Teddy Roosevelt from 1906 is finally getting his wish for the future. Anti-trust for everyone except a central bank, the legal system and now the healthcare system. The three pillars of socialism. This is what congress was referring to when they said it has been a 100 year battle.

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  • Bruce Brooker

    Universal healthcare in amerika? How progressive.
    If you backward thinking knuckle dragging rednecks ‘don like it, tough…just call in an air strike.

  • Yig

    Think about it…

    All cost (including fines and taxes), in the end, are passed down to the consumer.

  • Dale

    I do not know much about the new health care bill. I think the person or people who wrote this top 20 list are a bit cold hearted. My observation is that they had a real concern for insurance companys. I do not.

  • john r

    i have several problems with the healthcare bill. Actually more like a hundred. but i’ll keep it simple. I resent how much the government noses into our lives as it is. More is unacceptable. They already track email,phone calls,can open your mail,xray you at airports,cameras at intersections.Its already too much like a bad scifi movie. And now they want my medical records too. WTF.It is so intrusive.There is nowhere one can go to escape the watchers and the taxers.Nowhere on the planet soon enuf.Egregious violations of our once guaranteed civil rights.I just want to be left alone.State sponsored workmans comp fights me at every turn for a back injury i suffered at work.Will healthcare run by the fed be any different?
    Quit trying to steal all my money.I’m barely my own revenue stream.I cant afford to support the government or anyone else.
    Big government panders to big business.Big business has the money and lobbyists to get what they want.Our representatives dont represent us as much as they do the money.I cant believe for a moment this would all pass if it didnt benefit big business more than the people.Almost every day some govt official gets busted for one impropriety or another.I dont trust any of them.
    And certainly not with my life.I made that mistake once already when i joined the army and ended up in a war that those same officials lied about.Why on earth would i trust them now?
    Finally….tax for ten years, provide service for 6 years.OK. Mathematically that means at some point the cost goes up 66% to have ten years of tax pay for ten years of service.If it at least payed for abortions it might have the decency to do a D and C on itself.

  • ohioriver

    For individuals age 55 or older, States are required to seek recovery of payments from the individual’s estate for nursing facility services, home and community-based services, and related hospital and prescription drug services.

    And the poor that are forced into medicaid will lose what little they have.It also states that the states have the option of recovering costs from other services.Forget about making a will to leave anything to your children.

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    Paradigm shift.

  • Mihail

    Some call it Marxism — I call it Judaism.” (The American Bulletin, Rabbi S. Wise, May 5, 1935).

    “It is legitimate to adopt a critical attitude toward the relatively large number of Jews who particularly in the first decade after the Bolshevik revolution collaborated with the Soviet Government in the persecution of other peoples.” — Statement of researcher Michael Mills, an official of the government of Australia at Canberra. (Source: Forward, March 10, 2000)

    — Robert Wilton, a long time Russia correspondent for the London Times, said in his book The Last Days of the Romanovs:

    “According to the data furnished by the Soviet press, out of 556 important functionaries of the Bolshevik State there were in 1918-1919: 17 Russians, 2 Ukrainians, 11 Armenians, 35 Lets, 15 Germans, 1 Hungarian, 10 Georgians, 2 Poles, 2 Finns, 1 Karaim, 457 Jews.

    “As the decades past by — after the fateful year 1917 — Judaized Khazars kept a firm hand on the helm of the government in the occupied land of Russia. In due time they built a bureaucracy to their heart’s desire.”

    “The Communist soul is the soul of Judaism. Hence it follows that, just as in the Russian revolution the triumph of Communism was the triumph of Judaism, so also in the triumph of fascism will triumph Judaism.” (A Program for the Jews and Humanity, Rabbi Harry Waton, p. 143-144).

    The American Hebrew September 10, 1920:

    “The Bolshevist revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a new order in the world. What was performed in so excellent a way in Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction, and by Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish mental and physical forces, become a reality all over the world.”

    “The Jews welcome this revolution in the Christian world, and the Jews should show an example. It is not an accident that Judaism gave birth to Marxism, and it is not an accident that the Jews readily took up Marxism: all this was in perfect accord with the progress of Judaism and the Jews.” (A Program for the Jews and Humanity, by Rabbi Harry Waton, p. 148).

    “We have exterminated the property owners in Russia. We are going to do the same thing in Europe and America.” (The Jew, December 1925, Zinobit).

  • James120756

    Tough, you lost, get over it. If you wanted to help the people and pass health care you liked, you should have passed it while Bush was in power, instead of starting two wars and almost bankrupting this country. Also thanks for the economic meltdown- caused by all the favors you gave to business and Wall street over the years PS Reagan was a putz.

  • kzfisch

    Regarding article – 20 Ways ObamaCare Will Take Away Our Freedoms Posted on March 25:

    The problem with this article, in a word, is it’s propaganda. Propaganda biased against the health care reform bill.

    I always believed that we should debate the facts as they really are.

    First of all I have been reading the actual bill and if an individual opens a small business, with under 25 employees, that business IS NOT REQUIRED to buy into the plan. If that business wants to get involved it gets tax credits. It only stands to gain and not lose.

    How many of us earn over $250,000.00 a year annualy. If our families do not earn that much the tax burden does not fall on us.

    Yes, there are some taxes that impact large corporations and larger business that could be catagorized as smaller business.

    Yes, younger Americans must enroll in the program eventually. However, for some of us, the opportunity to afford health care insurance is a plus. Espacially if we own anything that can be taken away, if we get seriously ill or have an accident that requires hospitalization.

    These are just a few of my thoughts on the issue. I respect people that would disagree and I also believe people shouldn’t necessarily be forced into participating in anything.

  • Tim

    Noone I have spoken with, regarding this awful legislation, supports it. On the news sites, however, there seems to be alot of folks willing to make their snarky little comments in favor of it. I suspect they are the little Trotskyites being created in our schools and colleges, people who have yet to realize the true greatness of what was the United States of America.
    This could split the nation right down ideological lines, leading to violence and civil war. Is it worth it? Just to receive dubious drugs for mostly bogus diseases? ADHD, depression (who wouldn’t be depressed facing the loss of freedom), erectile disfunction, and PMS? I go to the doctor when I have lacerations or broken bones. I don’t need a bunch of nannies in DC scheduling my (now mandatory) colonoscopies for me. And I won’t go.
    Ever.

  • Warren

    Bunch of bull shit.

    Fact is that US, (a larger part of population indoctrinated by politics, hatred and loose-winer inmfantile mentality) does not have sufficient level of culture to manage universal coverage.

    Those idiotic criminals working around just need to increse productivity for hundred percent. That will result in just 50% of money needed and would make universal coverage possible on its own.

    I came from country with UC and was treated quite well in way ordinary poster her can not mentally comprehend. Why am I not over there any more? Becouse your country destroyed it. EOM

  • greg

    Answer me this, all you people ranting about how health care reform will end our way of life:
    Where were you during the Bush administration when our way of life DID end?

    Selective (partisan) outrage is not very convincing

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  • AZAAN X

    universal healthcare. just one small step in correcting the past injustices of a dirty, racist, elitist ameriKKKa.

    GO, OBAMA, GO!!!

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    Revolution is the Solution!

  • Magic Dog

    All those 20 things sound good to me, but they’re missing the provision to deny care to white trash rednecks on meth.

  • Dr. Grumpus

    I won’t comment on the whole thing, but point #15 seems a bit disingenuous:

    “The government will extract a fee of $2.3 billion annually from the pharmaceutical industry….Think you, as a pharmaceutical executive, know how to better use that money, say for research and development? Tough. (Section 9008 (b)).”

    Um… Big pharma met with Obama before the whole process started and agreed to this at the very start. So, well, yeah, I think they accounted for the use of their money.

    As for the rest of it, all I can offer is this: Leave it up to the parents, before the child is conceived, to opt out of public health care.

    Or you don’t want to participate? Fine. That means, however, you do not get access to ANY health services unless you pay for it, and if your money runs out mid-treatment, you get your sorry ass kicked to the curb. Immediately. Massive internal bleeding? Too bad, so sad. You want to gamble? Do it on your own dime.

    Fortunately, we have a human notion of compassion and sympathy for others, and it must be accounted for in public policy.

  • Mike

    It seems clear to me that there was no real debate process, and that this so called ‘healthcare’ bill was yet another doublethink document designed to give the appearance of help, stalling long enough for millions in earmarks to be added, propaghanda to dissuade criticism, and to figure out how much they were really gonna get away with ‘creating’. Its not like anyone can read, and if they managed to see a copy of that 2400 page bill, every section just revises and refers to other sections.. I doubt anybody, senators included, really knows what the contents of the bill means. But the point, is to keep going! A billion here, a billion there, our pennies just keep getting smaller.

  • Ayell

    It’s disturbing how many non US citizens lump all of us into a group to stereotype and criticize. We aren’t all inbred, red-necks. Some of us oppose this ridiculous bill because we’ve self educated ourselves and we know that we don’t need to be force fed medical care. Have you all forgotten how easy it is to maintain health through proper nutrition and supplements? I would reserve visits to doctors/hospitals for times of emergency care (broken bones, vehicle accidents).

    Try educating yourself a little and stop blaming a nation of propagandized, ignorant Americans. Our government is greedy and evil. It doesn’t mean that we are.

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